I thought I'd better post here before my few readers decided that I'd been captured by the aliens or something. I just haven't had much to say lately, at least on my blog. Yesterday I started a "tempest in a teapot" so to speak, on the poetry website that I frequent by suggesting that some of the newbies were treated badly by the veteran members of the site. It went well for the most part (other than the fact that many of the responses that I received went along the lines of "you are entitled to your wrong opinion), but there was one response that really irritated me.
One individual suggested that much of the problem with education these days is that teachers, parents, etc. are so afraid to damage a child's self-esteem that they don't set boundaries or expectations of them. I replied that I am certainly not someone who believes in saving a child's (or an adult's) self-esteem at the expense of learning, or the truth. I also mentioned that my viewpoint may be a bit skewed because of my experiences working with Native American people, many of whom had either been forced to go to U.S. sponsored boarding schools. I also mentioned that my view was similarly affected by the number of people who I have worked with who live in abject poverty, and that the "cycle of poverty" is much more than a cliche: if the parents don't care about learning, the child already has an uphill battle, so to speak. Sheesh, I can't keep cliches out of my post...oh, well, it's early.
Anyway, this poster replied that he didn't see what Native American boarding schools had to do with posting on a poetry board. Now, I am wondering what part of "my viewpoint may be skewed by my experiences" she didn't understand. I just replied that I was sorry, I must not be expressing myself correctly, and left it at that.
But all in all, it was a disappointing experience. I really don't think learning has to be made painful and I don't believe that beginners should be ridiculed for their attempts at poetry--it's hard enough to find that the poem that has been hanging on Uncle Joe and Aunt May's refrigerator is actually without literary merit. I did have a couple of people send me private messages indicating that they thought I was correct in my opinion. They didn't post this publicly. I guess they didn't want to get into "trouble," something that I just don't have any fears about, expecially when it comes to advocating for people who I think are being treated unfairly.
Certainly in the scheme of things, people who (in my opinion) misbehave on a poetry board are not going to end the world. But I just wish some of the people there would treat newcomers with a bit more tact. And anyone who has seen me deal with a situation in which I think a patient is not being treated well knows that I have no fear of letting my voice be heard. Well, that's about it for now, I have to get ready to go to work--it snowed last night, which means that the drivers in my corner of the world will be driving like fools. :)
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Hi, Willow. I commented on your post at the pffa. I too was astounded by the post about education. I am honestly mostly astounded by the way people treat people there in general.
But wanted to let you know, I saw, I agreed and hope you continue to speak your mind openly. Not that I suspect things will change there but it was reassuring to me to read what you had to say. I find the atmopshere at pffa not conducive to my learning style but tried it and supported your efforts.
My name was Verse.
Lisa
I know of several...check out the link I've provided to get a list of boarding schools around the country.
Boarding Schools - Troubled Teens
Willow,
Good for you speaking your mind!
You know how I feel about PFFA....it needs to be read with a rather large filter....and I have a degree in Lit for gosh sakes!
If you need someone to back you there, just let me know when you post and I'll be there with bells on!
Take care,
Susan
Hi, Lisa,
Sorry for the late reply, I've been a bit under the weather, as well as being caught up in work.
I appreciate your support, and I am sorry that PFFA didn't work out for you.
I have checked out a couple of other sites, like Eratosphere, as well as a site called "Woodland Poets," and may post to them at some point to get some alternative views of my poems.
For now, though, I am sticking with PFFA, since I am rather limited on time. Darn it--what a pain that work has to interfere with my writing. :)
Willow
Thanks, Jim.
I was actually referring to a time in U.S. history when Native Americans were separated from their parents and sent to boarding schools to basically suppress their culture and assimilate them into European ways and values.
They were forbidden to practice their own religions, and even to speak their own languages. This sad legacy has fostered a marked distrust by Native Americans in the U.S. educational system to this day.
Thanks for the support, Susan!
On the whole, I think the discussion went well--it ended up being 5 pages long, and a number of people made good points. Several people also indicated that they agreed with my viewpoint--some by PM, some during the discussion.
By the end, it started to become a bit of a circular argument, so I had the thread locked, since I preferred to keep it focused on a problem-solving, respectful discussion.
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